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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2018, 06:04:41 am »
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Why The Left is Truly Pro-life
October 13, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

The Left has done a great service to the Religious Right.

For decades, we’ve allowed them to write our story for us.

We have let them define themselves and to define us, with two simple words:

Pro-Life.

They have cleverly commandeered this phrase, claiming sole ownership, composing a convincing false narrative that they are the lone defenders of life—and we its hostile adversaries.

After this Presidency, they won’t be allowed to do that any longer. They’ve been exposed.

In the wake of the 2016 election, many Conservative Christians have steadfastly claimed that Life was their candidate deal breaker.
Life is the reason they voted for and still support this President.
Life is why they excuse his malevolence and ignore his indiscretions.
Life is the reason they tolerate his lengthy resume of filth.
Life is why their Christian faith can embrace him as Godly.
It is the single issue that, for them, fully covers his multitude of sins.

But when we reframe those two words, the reality of their commitment to the living becomes clear. If we take the phrase beyond the shorthand culture war slogan, to be “pro-life” should simply mean to be “for humanity,” shouldn’t it?

And if we look at the preponderance of the evidence and examine whether or not the Christian and Political Right are actually for humanity, it becomes fairly obvious:

Is it for humanity, to attempt to ban Muslims and immigrants and refugees from entering the country in the name of preventing some supposed danger?
Is it for humanity to separate small children from their families at our borders?
Is it for humanity, to try and take healthcare from millions of our poorest and most vulnerable, and penalize them for previous illness?
Is it for humanity, to leverage fear of people based on the color of their skin, their religious tradition, their sexuality, their nation of origin?
Is it for humanity, to level Native American burial lands to run oil lines?
Is it for humanity, to legislatively assault the LGBTQ community; to restrain their ability to marry and adopt and receive partner benefits?
Is it for humanity, to roll back protections for the planet we’re standing on, the air we breath, the water sustaining us, the atmosphere surrounding us?
Is it for humanity, to gut funding for the Arts and exponentially raise it for the Military?
Is it for humanity to gerrymander and bureaucratically exclude people of color from the electoral process?
Is it for humanity, to put Cabinet leaders in place who are intentionally dismantling the systems of education, commerce, environmental protections, and law that we’ve worked for hundreds of years to secure?
Is it for humanity, to taunt foreign nations into war on social media?
Is it for humanity, to ridicule and verbally attack women claiming to have been sexually assaulted, and steamroll an accused predator into the highest court over them?

And is it for humanity, to interfere with or legislate control over a woman’s autonomy over her own body?
Is it for her humanity to decide what she must do in the wake of an assault or a dire medical diagnosis?
Is it for her humanity to withhold birth control or medical treatment from her, or to determine what gynecological care she can receive and where she can receive it?
Is it for her humanity to demand that she lives under the religious convictions or personal preferences of another human being or political party?

Where is their passionate regard for the sanctity of the life of the human being whose uterus they seek to claim stewardship of and authority over?
It seems women don’t count as lives to these people (as if seeing what’s unfolded prior to Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, left any doubt.)
The right to life apparently doesn’t include them.

It’s time the Christian and Political Left speaks the truth: that though the Religious Right forever claims to be “pro-life,” they are not for humanity, beyond the outside of the most infinitesimal segment of it. They have no real interest in protecting anyone beyond the birth canal.
Their burden is a theocracy of control and subjugation, one where women’s desires and wills are an afterthought.
To them, terminating a pregnancy is clearly murder—yet executing criminals, shooting unarmed black men, running for-profit prisons, withholding healthcare, exacerbating pollution, and perpetuating war are all somehow acceptable collateral damage to the living.

In the end it comes down to compassion; to the ability to be moved by the suffering of others and compelled to alleviate it—to defend and protect and care for the living in every form and at every stage and of every kind and of every complexion. This is what it truly means to be pro-all life.

This Administration and its supporters have shown themselves to be largely bereft of empathy for the poor, for the sick, the marginalized; for foreigners, for outsiders, for the wounded—for diverse life here. They don’t deserve to claim ownership of the living.

I am a person of Life. That is what my faith calls me to be. Compassion compels me to be pro-life—to be for humanity.

Like so many people who share my political and religious convictions, I want (through education and birth control) to see less unplanned pregnancies and (through affordable medical care) to see more pregnancies carried to term without life threatening complication. Everyone does.

In fact, this is the greatest lie of all those the Right reiterates in this conversation: that the Left loves abortion or rejoices in “murdering babies.” This is an irresponsible, inaccurate, and willfully dangerous intentional falsehood that simply contains no truth. Ultimately, we believe that women should have autonomy over their own bodies, and that no one can impose their morality on another human being. It’s really that elemental.

Our advocacy for life simply also goes well beyond the womb.
We treasure the already born as much as the unborn.
We are pro-all life because it is all sacred; not only when its heart begins beating, but as it beats and when it struggles to beat and up until it ceases to beat.

Unless you’re for all humanity equally, unless you’re a fierce advocate for every living being, you’re aren’t really pro-life—you’re simply committed to using women’s bodies as battle ground in a hollow holy war.

The Religious Right needs to face their refusal to honor the sanctity of life beyond the womb and outside of white Evangelical nationalism—and the Left needs to rightly take back the phrase, and redefine what it means to truly be pro-life.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/10/13/why-the-left-is-truly-pro-life/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John+Pavlovitz&fbclid=IwAR1eegif9UL43J76x9fUmnKBYcaTWvoxXloHfa6oa2zZYaUfgzubk-SEctY

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2018, 05:59:19 am »
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Yes, Donald Trump is the Chosen One
October 15, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

This week, in a conversation about the recent Supreme Court hearings, a friend and Trump supporter who claims to be Christian, reiterated a recurring theme: Providence.

“This is God’s doing.” she said very matter-of-factly. “Trump has been chosen by God.”

Well, she was half right anyway.

He has been chosen by someone—and it’s a national tragedy.

As I think about the people I know who have tethered themselves to this President, many professing a faith in Jesus, I can see that they have made a decisive, precise, and unmistakable choice; one that has terribly altered two histories; both the nation’s and their own.

They have chosen to trade the compassion and empathy of Jesus, for Trump’s callousness and contempt.
They have chosen to jettison Christ’s love for the poor, the marginalized, and the outsiders—in order to fortify the gated community of their privilege.
They have chosen to abandon any sense of truthfulness, in favor of the most convenient lie available that ratifies their desired narrative.
They have chosen to discard all sense of empathy and kindness and ignore every imaginable bit of moral infection, in order to retain a partisan political foothold.


And yet as sickening as that all is, their other choices are closer and more insidious than that.

They’ve chosen Trump over children and parents and lifelong friends; preferring to align themselves with this President than to stay in relationship with those they’ve spent their lives in the closest of proximity with.

They’ve chosen him over LGBTQ family members and friends, whose lives are in direct threat by the religious extremism of this President’s Administration.

They’ve chosen him over their daughters and sisters and wives, deciding instead to further nurture a climate that is hostile to and dismissive of women’s voices.

They’ve chosen him over the diverse community they are immersed in; the disparate group of beautiful people they walk past and work with and live around and worship alongside—people who are under extreme duress because of his targeted and relentless cruelty.

They’ve chosen him over their co-workers and neighbors, who now feel uneasy in their presence, because of the hostility they’ve revealed—toward immigrants and refugees and people who weren’t born here.

And ultimately the greatest tragedy of the many uncovered in these days, is that they have chosen him at all; that a man this devoid of nobility and decency and character—has become the hill that once decent, rational, faithful people suddenly deem worth dying on.

Of every person on the planet, they have chosen to stand with and rally around and boast about and declare solidarity with, a man who is almost mortally allergic to honesty and benevolence.

Someone who would have been an unthinkable role model just two short years ago, has seemingly become their infallible messiah.

And in this way, I suppose my friend is right: Donald Trump is divinity of sorts.

He is the snarling, sneering, spitting deity for fearful, angry people who finally have a god in their own image in whom they trust; one they can worship and bow down to and give their lives for.

They have chosen him—and the rest of us have seen the light, too.

We now know how close and prevalent the bitterness is.
We know how afflicted our nation still is with hatred for difference.
We know how pervasive misogyny and racism are in American Evangelicalism.
We know how many white people live with disdain of those outside their tribe.


And most of all, we know how hard it is going to be to craft an America where equality, diversity, and justice are the rule.

But we will do this work.

This is the choice we are making.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/10/15/yes-donald-trump-is-the-chosen-one/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John+Pavlovitz&fbclid=IwAR2A99t2ftqFhcClkMj8syro_1_HKGvz6cBSx-BWHJEPAjfFzZn1KBc5XH0

 

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2018, 08:33:25 pm »
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The Moral Confusion of Trump Christians
August 28, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Christians supporting this President are the most morally confused people I’ve ever met. They are profoundly spiritually disoriented.

Though their disorientation began much earlier in the Presidential campaign, as day after day they had to start selling off their souls in small parcels—it reached a tipping point in October of 2016, just a month before the Presidential election.

A video surfaced of the then-Presidential candidate saying the most explicitly vile things about women, about their genitalia, about leveraging power to use them, about his extramarital sexual advances—statements that would have disqualified him from employment in schools, businesses—and most certainly from the very churches these people worshipped in.

And in this unprecedented moral pivot point moment, millions of professed followers of Jesus, had to somehow find a way to make this man and these comments and this behavior, sufficiently decent enough to cast their votes for him.

They’ve never been the same since then, whether they know it or not.

Their spirituality was compromised.

Once you make a deal with that kind of devil, there is no moral path forward that makes sense anymore.

There is no longer a script to follow because you’ve purposefully lost the plot.


You can see how confused these folks are in their duplicity, their inconsistency, their hypocrisy:

They claim they love Trump because he respects the Military, yet when he proceeded to posthumously give a middle finger to war hero John McCain, they respond by defending Trump and trashing the senator.

They’ve professed devotion to the President because they say he puts “America First”—and yet, have willingly tossed out the mountain of evidence that he is beholden to Russia and a pawn of Vladimir Putin; that he has polluted our elections and exposed our secrets.

After having screamed incessantly for years about what goes on in people’s bedrooms and in public bathrooms—these “family values Christians” have had to ignore three marriages, serial adultery, porn star affairs, Playmate payoffs with campaign funds, and assault allegations.

They’re forever claiming they support Trump because he is “pro-life,” and yet say nothing while hundreds of children remain isolated from their parents, after becoming orphans by his Administration.

They want the Prince of Peace and the *****-grabber President.
They want “Love your neighbor as yourself”—and ICE raids and Muslim bans.
They “marriage is between one man and one woman”—and an Olympic-level adulterer.
They want America First and For God so Loved the World.
They want Jesus’ compassionate humility and Trump’s vile arrogance.
They want to store up treasures in Heaven and tons of cash right now.


I can understand their disorientation. It must be dizzying to try and keep this cognitive dissonance up; an exhausting exercise to balance the moral inconsistencies and do the theological gymnastics required to not have it all collapse.

When you confront these people, you can tell that they can’t make sense of it either. They double down and toss out random Bible verses, and they try to connect dots that simply cannot be connected. They may have chosen this haze, but they can’t see out of it now.

The day they hitched their convictions to Donald Trump, they doomed themselves to moral confusion, but what’s worse—they’ve confirmed the greatest fears that people outside of Christianity have about Christians.
They’ve become a walking example of the hypocrites people fear, and the kind ironically, that Jesus warns about.
They are giving millions of people sound reason to reject it all. I don’t blame them one bit—though I hope they realize there are others.

I am a Christian and I am not morally confused.
Many Christians I know aren’t.
We see with perfect clarity, that you can either align yourself with this President or with Jesus of Nazareth—but that emulating both is a moral impossibility.

I’m sad for the Christians who left the narrow road of Jesus to jump aboard the  Trump Train, and who now can’t find their way back—but I’m sadder still for a watching world who sees them and realizes how far they’re drifted from their namesake, even when they cannot.

Thankfully, many of the faith and faithless alike—are not confused about them.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/08/28/the-moral-confusion-of-trump-christians/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2018, 01:39:12 pm »
FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE

Opinion | Margery Eagan
Are ‘Trump Christians’ really Christian?
By Margery Eagan   April 02, 2018

IT’S THE DAY after Easter, 2018, a good time to call out Donald Trump supporters who claim to be Christians.

They’re not.

Here’s the Merriam-Webster definition of a Christian: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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They don’t.

But this is not me speaking.

This is what’s been argued ever more fervently in Christian and secular circles since Trump’s election. The president has apparently divided a faith just as he has divided this country.

Just days ago, in a dramatic and unprecedented move, 23 prominent Christian leaders — including Bishop Michael Curry, leader of the Episcopal Church; Richard Rohr, Catholic priest and famed spiritual writer; and Jim Wallis, an evangelical and founder of Sojourners magazine — issued a manifesto at ReclaimingJesus.org saying just that. It details what Christianity rejects. And most are policies Trump and his self-professed Christian supporters embrace.

So what can we call such Christians?

Since almost no black evangelicals support Trump, “you can’t call them evangelicals,” Wallis said in an interview last week. “I keep telling the press, call them old white evangelicals, nearly all men, rich, the ones benefiting from the tax cuts.

“Or Trump evangelicals,” he said, “part of a fake church, to use (the president’s) language.”

“Reclaiming Jesus” is less about condemning romps with porn stars and more about condemning tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts to health care and food benefits for the poor, and the shunning of refugees and immigrants. It rejects Trump’s “America First” slogan as “theological heresy,” along with misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and presidential lying.

“How we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick and the prisoner” forms Christianity’s radical roots, the document says. It’s a position definitely at odds, say, with deporting young mothers back to Mexico.

But “white evangelicals are not the only problem,” Trinity College religion professor Mark Silk wrote last week on Religious News Service. Silk says it’s white religious people, period.
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Silk cites a December Gallup poll: Non-Hispanic whites who described themselves as very religious approve of Trump’s presidency 2-1 while nonwhites, religious or not, disapprove by 73 percent or more. The same poll showed 51 percent of white Catholics approving of Trump, while a Pew poll last month found that 48 percent of mostly white mainline Protestants do too.

This summer, Catholic John Gehring, author of “The Francis Effect: A Radical Pope’s Challenge to the American Catholic Church,” weighed in on the same subject. In “What’s Wrong with White Christians?” he writes that they’re more than twice as likely to blame poverty on individual failings than are those with no religion at all. Citing a Kaiser Family Foundation report, Gehring says that white evangelicals and half of white Catholics are particularly wedded to this view, recognizing few systemic inequalities, like poor inner city schools. Referring to another study, he writes that 36 percent of white evangelicals and 47 percent of white Catholics even recognize America’s enduring racism, though 86 percent of black Protestants do.

“And a majority of the descendants of white Catholic immigrants once feared and loathed in this country voted for a president who ran on an explicitly nativist message,” Gehring writes, calling all this “a crisis at the heart of white Christianity. The dark-skinned Jesus who preached justice to those in the shadow of an empire would likely not recognize many of his nominal followers today.”

I’ve thought that often when hearing Franklin Graham demonize Muslims. Or Trump’s religious defenders say they don’t like his tweets but love his get-tough policies. Or seeing Fox News’ Laura Ingraham ridicule a teenage Parkland massacre survivor or provocateur Ann Coulter spout off against desperate refugees — when both so often wear crosses around their necks.

Wallis quotes the New Testament, where Christ made his mission statement clear: “To proclaim good news to the poor. . . . To set the oppressed free.”

“Christians” who don’t support that “are destroying the integrity of the faith,” Wallis said. “That’s why we couldn’t keep quiet anymore.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/04/01/are-trump-christians-really-christian/loTMwQyqRBYgOoovmYA7eI/story.html

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2018, 04:26:14 am »
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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2018, 01:58:05 pm »
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The Moral and Spiritual Bankruptcy of White Evangelicals

July 19, 2018
by Ryan LaMothe

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According to 2016 exit polling, 80% of white evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, surprisingly more than for Christian conservative George W. Bush. This was in spite of the overwhelming evidence of Trump’s inveterate lying, his misogynistic comments and behaviors, his racist statements and proposed policies, his frequent attempts to humiliate real and imagined opponents, and—what should be of relevance to evangelical voters—a lack of knowledge or interest in Christian scripture.

Since the election, white evangelical support has remained high (75%).[1]Again, this is despite women speaking out about how Trump treated them, hush money to a porn star, reports of failing to pay workers, numerous ethics investigations of people he selected for his Cabinet, his seeming incapacity to take responsibility for anything other than his “successes,” and his ongoing desire to humiliate and intimidate opponents.

Only recently, a few white evangelical leaders have tepidly spoken out in opposition to the Administration’s policy of separating immigrant parents from their children. Though, leaders, like Franklin Graham, did not blame Trump. Instead, Graham blamed the situation on the last 20-30 years. Also, these very same leaders support Trump’s other draconian immigration policies.

While some people may view evangelicals’ stalwart support of Trump as hypocrisy, I view it as moral bankruptcy. Let me offer three reasons. First, evangelicals have for decades espoused the view that moral (read Christian) character is a key criterion for political and religious leadership. While Christian voters differ on the specifics, it is easy to assent to the idea that moral character is important for leaders to possess. I suspect people of other faith traditions and agnostics/atheists would agree that moral character is a key factor. A leader’s character was so important that most evangelicals were outraged not only by Bill Clinton’s sexual acting out with an intern, but also by his lying about it. Part of George W. Bush’s appeal to these voters was that he restored probity to the Office of President, overlooking or excusing his consistent lying to the American people about WMDs in Iraq. Two decades later, we hear white evangelicals say, in response to voting for Trump, that they voted for a man rather than a saint or savior, which I take to mean that the idea of character has lost any moral meaning, becoming something that simply refers to eccentricity. In this sense, white evangelicals have gladly and consistently sacrificed principle for expediency, which means that when it comes to political leadership morality no longer matters.

More evidence of moral bankruptcy is seen in the acceptance of or the indifference to Trump’s lies. Of course, all presidents lie to some extent, but Trump has taken this to a new level. The website Politifact, which tracks and evaluates the truth claims of public persons, indicates that Trump lies over 70% of the time. A remarkable feat for any person, except perhaps a sociopath. If we imagine that evangelicals know he is lying, yet continue to support him and avoid calling him into accountability, then it is clear that evangelicals have sacrificed the importance of truth and facts vis-à-vis the public-political arena. This would be one version of moral bankruptcy, which is especially disturbing given evangelicals’ claim to follow Jesus who proclaimed the truth. But it may be that many evangelicals do not know that Trump is lying, despite clear and pervasive evidence that he is. In this case, they are not sacrificing the truth, because they are incapable of recognizing it. They have opted for what Harry Frankfurt (2005) called bullshit and we know bullshitters are not known for moral character. Again, if we turn to evangelicals’ claim to follow Jesus, I can find nowhere in the Gospels where Jesus sought out, displayed, or accepted bullshit from his followers or religious and political leaders. Whether jettisoning the truth or opting for bullshit or illusion, many white evangelicals manifest a moral bankruptcy.

The third feature of moral bankruptcy is found in the notion that the ends-justifies-the-means approach to politics. Over the months I have heard white evangelicals indicate some discomfort with some of Trump’s behaviors, which suggests, in that moment, they are not completely morally bankrupt. Yet, this is quickly followed by pointing to how Trump is getting things done—things they want, such as a more conservative Supreme Court, more border protection, etc. This sounds very much like an ends-justifies-the-means approach to political decision making. White evangelical Christians seem to have conveniently forgotten that this kind of approach was antithetical to Jesus’ ministry and Christian ethics. Indeed, in the Gospels, Jesus repeatedly demonstrated that he would not follow the ways of the world, such as accepting the temptations in the desert or calling on an army of angels to rescue him from his impending torture and death at the hands of the imperium. Evidently, this Jewish carpenter knew that if the means are evil, then the ends are already corrupt. Jesus possessed the moral integrity to know that it is impossible for unjust means to bring about just ends. The means must reflect the ends, which is why Martin Luther King Jr. opted for non-violent resistance. He recognized that violent means corrupts one’s character and damages the soul. Sadly, most white evangelicals have drained their banks of integrity to purchase a sordid character who will help them to achieve their ends.

The idea of the soul moves us to the idea of spiritual bankruptcy, which is the other side of the evangelical sacrifice of principle for expediency. Spirituality is a protean term, but simply stated it refers to beliefs, values, and behaviors aimed at a common good or goods. If we consider the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, we might say that goods are primarily compassion, love of enemies, mercy, and forgiveness, which are represented in Jesus’ solidarity with the poor and oppressed.  To be sure, he had harsh words for leaders and wealthy people who exploited the poor, but this, like prophets before him, was aimed at bringing them into accountability and realignment with covenant values. The good Jesus was incarnating was evident in acts of healing, guiding people to God, and reconciliation.  I cannot imagine that white evangelicals could so twist the Gospels as to suggest that Trump’s predilection to humiliate anyone deemed to be an opponent, his inveterate lying, and his cruel policies toward poor people and immigrants reflect in any way the spirit of Jesus or the spirituality of a Christian. It is one thing to have a leader who is spiritually bankrupt, it is another to have putative Christian devotees unquestioningly support him.

One might argue that white evangelical’s support of Trump does not prevent them from living the spirit of the Gospel in acts of love in their daily lives. But this kind of mental gymnastics is reminiscent of those “good” Catholics and Protestants who supported Hitler or Mussolini.  I am not comparing Trump to these tyrants, though clearly Trump has a tyrannical or authoritarian side. I am instead saying that preaching love, while supporting someone who has little idea of the truth, who loves himself and his family but no others, who humiliates real and imagined opponents indicates spiritually bankruptcy. I am reminded of a scene in Robert Bolt’s play, “A Man for All Seasons.” At one point in the trial of Thomas More, Norfolk perjures himself, placing More in a precarious position. More turns to Norfolk, with some sadness and disappointment, and says “For Wales Norfolk, For Wales?” More knew that Norfolk had sacrificed moral and spiritual principles in order to gain greater power and prestige. More obviously thought that Wales was hardly worth jettisoning one’s character. To vote for and support a man like Trump so that white evangelicals can feel as if they have power to achieve their ends and re-establish their prestige (e.g., Make America Great Again), reveals a common, tragic tendency to empty one’s moral and spiritual assets for the fool’s gold of a false prophet.

Notes.
[1] I need to point out that there are some progressives, like Jim Wallis, among white evangelicals. In this article I am focusing on conservative white evangelical support for Trump.

 https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/19/the-moral-and-spiritual-bankruptcy-of-white-evangelicals/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2018, 06:12:22 am »
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God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President
June 8, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself.

Christian Trumpers really need to stop spiritualizing the man, his campaign, and his Presidency.

It’s sinful.
It’s blasphemous.
It’s lousy evangelism.
It’s also just plain asinine.


The hypocrisy on display is historic: after spending the past 8 years straining to find infinitesimal specks in Barack Obama’s eye that they could condemn as deal breakers—Evangelicals are now perfectly fine with Trump’s rotted forest of Redwoods.

In fact, in the most dizzying display of theological spin doctoring, it is now precisely his ever-growing trail of personal toxic discharge that supposedly proves evidence of God’s hand in it all.

So Trump’s multiple marriages, his porn star affairs, his mountain of sexual assault claims, his verbal obscenities, his disregard for rule of law, his compulsive lying, his clear racism, his unrelenting attacks on marginalized communities (things these Christians would have figuratively and almost literally crucified Obama for) are now unmistakable signs that God is using this President.

This is nonsense of Biblical proportions; to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and Don of New York, is about as farcical as you can get without actually spontaneously combusting from the cognitive dissonance.

Dying to justify their own allegiances to Trump, Evangelicals have lumped him in with other famously flawed heroes of Scripture, suggesting he is actually  God’s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation—in the tradition of the Old Testament.(Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass, so I guess there is precedent).

In all seriousness, this sanctified retrofitting of this godless President to any kind of Providential momentum is the height of absurdity. By that measurement, let’s find all the most reprehensible human beings we can, give them carte blanche in our seats of power—and see just what God can do!

No, Donald Trump wasn’t anointed by God.
He isn’t an instrument of Divine will.
He isn’t Biblically hastening Armageddon or Jesus’ return.
He’s just a hateful, indecent, predatory fraud who is destroying the environment, stripping people of their human rights, and making America a global laughing-stock.

 
His ascension is not prophetic but pathetic, the result of:
 
Russian interference,
fake news,
gerrymandering,
voter suppression,
Hillary hatred,
Obama resentment,
Fox News brainwashing,
Democratic stumbles,


the votes of bigoted Evangelicals, whites terrified of losing market share, and third-party voters—and the inaction of 100 million Americans who couldn’t be bothered to participate in one of the greatest responsibilities of living here.

That’s it.

No Providence.
No Divine messages.
No Biblical prophecies.
No spiritual movements.


Just ordinary human beings who chose really, really poorly when they should have known better.

This isn’t a mystery or a miracle—and it sure as hell isn’t God.
Christians need to stop passing the buck to God, and just own the compromises and sick bedfellows they’ve been willing to make for Supreme Court seats, anti-LGBTQ legislation, weapon stockpiling, and a rapidly assembling white Christian theocracy.


Stop namedropping God.

God wasn’t generating fake news or showing up at his campaign rallies or stumping for him at nationwide crusades or using him as an expression of their misogyny.
God didn’t vote for the guy who said he could grab women by the genitalia.
God didn’t choose the guy who said protestors should be beaten.
God didn’t go with the guy endorsed by the KKK.
God didn’t excuse the bankruptcies and overlook the affairs and laugh off the racist remarks
.

I’m pretty sure people did that—lots of supposedly Christian folks.

And God isn’t now taunting teenage shooting victims on social media,
or ignoring thousands of lost immigrant children,
or turning a blind eye to Constitutional crises,
or celebrating LGBTQ discrimination,
or laughing off collusion, treason, and human rights atrocities.


Again, Christians.

We really should stop pretending God is responsible for this fast food dumpster fire, when it’s clear whose hand is in it all.

This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,
racism,
Nationalism,
fear,
xenophobia,
and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance.


God does not consent.

Pray on that.

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
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Being Ghosted for My Heresy by MAGA Christians
June 20, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

People often say God moves in mysterious ways.

I won’t argue with them.

I’ve been a local church pastor for more than two decades. Over recent years, as I started to ask more questions and as my faith grew more and more progressive, I experienced a massive personal exodus.

I lost hundreds, perhaps thousands of former church friends and co-ministers who disconnected, went silent, or actively ridiculed me for “falling away from the faith.”

A former pastor publicly disparaged me for losing my way. Longtime Christian friends ghosted me, avoiding eye contact at stores and at funerals for mutual friends. I now get the cold shoulder on social media from people I used to live and work alongside, trying to teach me a lesson about my heresy by their silence.

Since then I’ve watched many of these same people move lock-step with this completely immoral President, and betray nearly everything about the life and ministry of Jesus—like Peter repeatedly denying Jesus in the garden.

They have gone all-in with Muslim bans and Ice raids and bathroom bills and healthcare repeals.
They have loudly contested the mattering of black lives, while having claimed to desire a “diverse church.”
They’ve preached about “God so loving the world,” and yet passionately declared “America First.”
They have defended comments about “shithole countries,” where we served together on life-altering short-term mission trips.

It has been a sickening marvel to witness the hypocrisy of men and women for whom I was no longer “Christian enough” because I welcomed LGBTQ people or questioned the existence of Hell or the inerrancy of Scripture—suddenly justify sexual predators, excuse *****-grabbing bravado, applaud the building of walls, and celebrate the silencing of black athletes.

The same Christians who shunned me for reminding them that Jesus wasn’t white, American, or Christian—essentially became vocal activists solely for white American Christians.

But this week has been uniquely and tragically illuminating.

This week, I saw many of the professed Christians for whom my progressive faith expression was problematic, witness the horrors unfolding at our border and say absolutely nothing. They have been silent and still while hell has broken loose—and I’ve noticed.

As has happened so many times over the past two years, I’m reminded of Jesus’ words that whatever we do to the “least of these” (those disregarded and vulnerable and helpless), we do to him. I look at the people who severed ties with me and I realize how glad I am to be where I am and not where they are.

I realize that whatever the personal cost of my perceived heresy has been in relationship disconnection, it’s been worth it because it’s given me an empathy that for whatever reason now eludes them. It has given me a clear voice where they now have moral laryngitis. Their rejection has pushed me to a more expansive space, to a much larger table. Moving away from their religion, I think I’ve found closer proximity to Jesus.

As much as I’ve grieved the loss of these people and been wounded by their condemnation and judgment, I’m grateful that I am in a different place in my spiritual journey.

I’ll take my divergence from the “right path” and deep compassion for hurting people—over orthodoxy and a hardened heart.
I’ll gladly take my place outside of their approval, and alongside children being brutalized and the weary seeking refuge.
I’ll gratefully accept their sentence of damnation in the afterlife, if it means I live this life giving a damn about people who are hurting.
I’ll make my home here with the rest of the heretics, apostates, backsliders, and sinners—and with a Jesus they no longer recognize as in their midst.

I once was blind, now I see.

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2018, 08:53:11 am »
Methodists Bring Church Charges Against Jeff Sessions For Border Policy

More than 600 clergy and lay members of the United Methodist Church have signed a letter bringing church charges against fellow member Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the zero tolerance immigration policy that has resulted in the separation of undocumented children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

The formal accusation, issued on Monday, charges Sessions with numerous violations of the denomination’s Book of Discipline, including child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and, for his citation of Romans 13 to defend the policy, the dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the UMC. 

Those who signed the complaint letter claim that Sessions’ “tremendous social/political power,” his role as a Sunday school teacher and the “severe and ongoing” effects of his actions compel them to call for accountability.

“As members of the United Methodist Church, we deeply hope for a reconciling process that will help this long-time member of our connection step back from his harmful actions and work to repair the damage he is currently causing to immigrants, particularly children and families,” the letter states.

Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores declined to comment directly on the church charges against Sessions. She said, “The AG’s comments on Scripture were not to justify the policy but in response to other criticism.”

In May, Sessions announced that the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security are aiming to prosecute 100 percent of cases of illegal border crossings, regardless of whether those involved are fleeing persecution or traveling with children. The U.S. government separated nearly 2,000 children from their parents in April and May as a result of this policy, placing the minors in shelters or with extended family members while their parents are prosecuted.

Sessions has drawn widespread condemnation after using a chapter from the Bible to respond to religious critics of the policy.

“Concerns raised by our church friends about separating families” are “not fair or logical,” he said in a speech in Fort Wayne, Indiana. “I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order.”

“I have given the idea of immigration much thought and have considered the arguments of our church leaders,” Sessions continued. “I do not believe Scripture or church history or reason condemns a secular nation-state for having reasonable immigration laws. If we have them, then they should be enforced.”

The United Methodist Church is the third-largest religious denomination in the U.S., with over 7 million lay members. Sessions is a member of a Methodist church in Mobile, Alabama, and attends services at another Methodist church in Virginia. HuffPost has reached out to the pastors of both congregations for comment but has not heard back.

According to United Methodist News, the denomination’s official news site, it’s rare for Methodists to bring formal charges against a layperson. Complaints that come up are typically resolved at the local level, after a member’s pastor and district superintendent offer counseling. If the complaint isn’t resolved, it’s possible for charges to result in a church trial and even expulsion. This has reportedly never happened in the church’s history.

The Rev. David Wright, a UMC pastor and chaplain at the University of Puget Sound in Washington state, was the primary organizer of the letter against Sessions. Wright told United Methodist News that he doesn’t want Sessions to be expelled from the denomination but is hoping the charges result in Sessions’ being called in for pastoral counseling.

“I hope his pastor can have a good conversation with him and come to a good resolution that helps him reclaim his values that many of us feel he’s violated as a Methodist,” Wright said.

Many Christian leaders have rejected Sessions’ interpretation of Romans 13 and spoke out against the zero tolerance policy, including the Council of Bishops of the United Methodist Church.

“Our congregations and agencies serve many migrant families that have recently arrived in the United States. Leaving their communities is often the only option they have to provide safety for their children and protect them from harm,” the council said in a June 7 statement. “Tearing children away from parents who have made a dangerous journey to provide a safe and sufficient life for them is unnecessarily cruel and detrimental to the well-being of parents and children.”

Sessions’ Mobile church, Ashland Place, is part of the UMC’s Alabama–West Florida Conference, which has also been critical of the policy. A spokeswoman for the conference declined to comment to HuffPost about the charges brought against Sessions, saying that details about any complaint are confidential.

In a statement released Monday, the conference’s Bishop David Graves decried separating children from their parents as “unjust acts.” 

“I implore congress and the current administration to do all in their power to reunite these families,” he said.

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If Your Church is Silent This Week—You May Want to Leave it

June 19, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Sunday is coming.

Soon, millions of Americans will find themselves in the houses of worship that dot nearly every corner of this country; disparate buildings where they’ll gather under the guise of religion, of faith, of goodness.

Whether set in trappings that are ancient or modern, filled with polished pews, prayer mats, or plush concert seating—a multitude will leave their homes this weekend and purposefully head to those places to be part of redemptive community that seeks to perpetuate the heart of God in the world—or so the story goes.

You may be among the faithful making this weekly pilgrimage, and whether you’ve spent a month or a lifetime at your current spiritual home, I’m suggesting this might be a good time to leave it.

Now, you may need to follow God right out of the building in order to hold on to your soul.

Our country is experiencing a real-time human rights emergency generated by our elected officials; many professing to be pro-life and claiming faith in a dark-skinned refugee Jesus—while allowing migrant families to be ripped apart and children to be housed in kennels and quoting the Bible while they do it.

If there was ever a time when the Church should be visible and vocal it should be now.
If there was ever a moment moral leaders were made for, it is this one.
If there ever a weekend where spiritual leaders should stand bravely in front of their faithful and speak the hardest of truths, complaint and mass exodus be damned—it should be this one.


But it probably won’t happen.

Many of these would-be prophets will be silent, out of cowardice, self-preservation, or worse yet, agreement with the sins of this Administration.

They will deftly dance around the conversation and preach around the issues.

They will sedate their audiences with flowery, intentionally vague prayers that pretend to speak but actually say nothing.

They will attempt to distract their flocks for an hour or so, and sidestep the urgency outside their buildings, because they don’t have the intestinal fortitude to brave the turbulence that taking bold stands creates.

Many of the professed spiritual leaders in these faith communities will count on people filling their pews and prayer mats and chairs, not giving a damn enough to ask them to speak with absolute clarity about the present crisis against humanity in America.

You can’t let them be right.

Every pastor, priest, minister, rabbi, and imam should be standing before their various tribes of affinity this weekend and specifically naming the atrocities happening to migrant families. They should be explicitly condemning these violations against people supposedly made in the image of their God, and calling their communities to do the same. They should be naming the current President’s immigration policies as fully antithetical to the heart of their faith tradition.

If not, you may want to ask yourself what the point is and why you need to stay another day.

You may want to ask yourself what use the religion they espouse there actually is, if not to rescue the most vulnerable from the most powerful, if not to advocate for the least of these, if not to care for their neighbor as themselves.

If your faith leaders can’t find their prophetic voices to defend children caged like animals and isolated from their parents, are they really worth looking to for guidance on how to live one’s faith, know God’s will, or emulate Jesus?

If they have silent tongues and feet of clay in these days, why should you remain and nurture such moral impotence?

This isn’t about protecting the line between Church and State (not that this Administration cares at all), it’s about not separating believing and living. It’s about demanding that local churches and their leaders fulfill their greatest calling: delivering the Gospel of Good News to the poor and the orphans and the widows, regardless of the cost.

If you’re a member of a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other spiritual gathering place, and the leaders there don’t specifically reference children being caged by our government and push back hard against it—you should ask them why they aren’t.

Ask them directly, and if you aren’t satisfied with their answer, seriously consider leaving then and there. This may be your greatest spiritual declaration, the most concrete affirmation of your beliefs that you’ll ever make.

If you are keeping company with polite cowards and smiling frauds whose faith is quiet, you may need to empty the pews and exit the buildings, and go loudly speak the words of truth and compassion and justice that need to be spoken right now.

You may need to fill their silent voids with your rafter-shaking voice.

You may need to follow your deepest faith convictions right out the door and toward the families assailed in these moments.

If the people of God where you gather this week, will not bring mercy, love, and goodness while such things are in such great demand—that may be your cue to exit.

You may need to leave the church to find your religion.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/06/19/if-your-church-is-silent-this-week-you-should-leave-it/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
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White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You
January 24, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.

They’re done.

They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:

They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.

They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.


You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet today, you openly give a “mulligan” to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.


And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.

They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities.
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.


And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.

You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.


I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.

But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24/white-evangelicals-people/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2018, 11:17:41 am »
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Sunday: The Most Cognitively Dissonant Day In Evangelical America

May 6, 2018 by Sarah Thebarge

This morning, millions of evangelicals who voted for the current president, and continue to not only support but defend him, went to church.

They sang hymns about holiness, while defending a man who has had multiple affairs and paid hush money to a porn star.

They sang about grace and mercy, while supporting an administration that’s deporting innocent kids to dangerous countries.

They sang, “Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight,” while doing nothing to oppose racial profiling, economic inequality, police brutality and a criminal justice system that incarcerates an overwhelmingly disproportionate percentage of black men.

They prayed for God to use them to make Jesus’ “on earth as it is in heaven” prayer a reality.  Yes, they prayed for earth to look like heaven, where people of all nations gather together as brothers and sisters and equals, while at the same time supporting a bombastic bully who wants to build walls and close borders to innocent refugees who are dying in droves.

They praised truth and honesty while, at the very same time, the lawyer of the president they voted for was on ABC telling George Stephanopoulos that the president’s lies were “political not criminal,” and therefore it didn’t matter whether he told the truth or not.

They prayed for their lives to be filled with the Fruits of the Spirit, which include gentleness and kindness, while praising a president who’s called others fat and ugly and dogs — and mocked the disabled.  A president who said that Mexicans commit high percentages of murder and rape in the U.S., a claim which has been documented to be absolutely untrue.  (Didn’t God say something somewhere about not bearing false witness….?)

Southern Baptists went to churches and read sacred words of Jesus, who considered women valuable, and equal and precious.  And yet, their convention is led by Paige Patterson, a 75-year-old misogynist who has preached on several occasions that women who are domestically abused by their husbands shouldn’t take their husbands to court to seek justice, and shouldn’t divorce their violent and vindictive spouses.  Instead, he said, they should suffer the abuse gladly, like Jesus suffered on the cross.  Women with black eyes and broken ribs should view the continual beatings from their husbands as the price of admission to sharing more deeply in the sufferings of Christ.

I’m sorry, what?

Martin Luther King, Jr. said that the most segregated hour in America is the hour in which blacks and whites went to separate churches to worship the God who asked us all to become one.

Sunday morning has also become the most cognitively dissonant — maybe even hypocritical — hour in Evangelical America.

80% of Evangelical Christians voted for a man who’s nothing like the God they claim to follow.  And, in the name of that same God, they continue to support and defend him.

I don’t care about politics.  It doesn’t matter to me if people vote for different candidates out of differing economic or foreign policy or political part views.  But I do care deeply about what people do in the name of God.

To do something in the name of God that is the antithesis of what God asked us to do…..and to support a person in the name of God who has spent 71 years of his life acting nothing like God — and making no apologies or amends for it…..what is that?

And why is that?

What will it take for us to unite our actions with the words we repeat on Sunday?

What will it take for us to walk in the footsteps of Jesus, even if that leads us out of the limelight?  Even if it puts us in a slice of American society that’s no longer pandered to by politicians?  Even if it requires us to give up the popularity and power and political leverage the Religious Right spent the past four decades accruing?

What will it take for Sunday mornings to become the most cognitively unified, the most heart-and-body-and-mind-and-soul aligned hour of our week?

“…if you’re abused…it’s okay.  You can trust it to

Martin Luther

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/sarahthebarge/2018/05/sunday-the-most-cognitively-dissonant-day/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2018, 01:43:16 pm »
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A Christian pastor just broke the internet with a scathing open letter to Huckabee Sanders and Trump

By Vinnie Longobardo
Published on May 1, 2018

With “thou shalt not lie” on the top 10 list of commandments for centuries now, you would think that more evangelicals would be holding the Trump administration’s feet to the burning bush for their sins of conducting illicit and intimate relationships with mistruth.

Yet the majority of evangelical pastors get more incensed over the right to bear arms than oppose the bearing of false witness, at least by members of the Trump administration

Not John Pavlovitz. The progressive evangelical pastor and author is one of the few men of the cloth who interprets the New Testament in the spirit of the Christian teachings it contains, rather than molding the biblical contents into fodder for their own worldly aims.

Pavlovitz’s latest post on his popular website addresses the controversy surrounding comedian Michelle Wolf’s routine at the White House Correspondents Dinner and what some members of the press saw as her outrageously rude remarks towards White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Ignoring the erroneous claims that Wolf attacked the appearance of the woman who oversees the daily White House Press briefing, Pavlovitz makes his inspirational comments in the form of an open letter to Sanders.

    “You see, I’m a Christian and I’ve heard you claim that you’re a Christian too—and watching you work recently, it got me thinking:”

    “How does she do it?”

    “What I mean is, how do you reconcile your supposed faith in Jesus of Nazareth, with your current position as a mouthpiece for this morally malignant President?,” the evangelical preacher begins his epistle to DC.

Pavlovitz then goes on to detail the many contradictions that any professed Christian should rightfully consider when they work in the service of someone whose behavior is the very antithesis of every value that Jesus espoused.

    “As a professed Christian, how do you make peace with the reality that you regularly mount the largest bully pulpit in the nation—and you lie for a living on behalf of a serial predator?”

    “How do you square your Christianity with the realization that you are the most visible and vocal surrogate for a man who is by nearly every measurement—fully devoid of Christlikeness?”

As a spiritual advisor, Pavlovitz understands the difficulty of flawed human beings living up to the standards of truly Christian, turn the other cheek, behavior, but emphasizes that Sanders’ work on behalf of Trump goes beyond merely the occasional lapse in sainthood-worthy demeanor.

    “This is about actively working for the opposition.
    This is about purposeful betrayal of your namesake.
    This is about conspiring with the enemy,” he reminds the self-proclaimed Christian.


He then details his feelings as he watches Sanders execute her duties in a very non-Christian manner.

    “I watch you every week as you repeatedly distort the truth,
    as you attack journalists who come carrying facts.
    as you vilify politicians who oppose your employer’s malfeasance,
    as you categorically defend his every vile statement, every personal attack, every nonsensical Tweet, every baseless firing, every legislative assault.”


    “I watch your face contort with the unmistakable tells of a person who doesn’t believe a word they’re saying; one who’s sold their soul and is now hopelessly trapped in a lie about a lie about a lie.”
   
    “I wonder what Jesus-story you tell yourself, about the fact that every week you stand in front of a microphone and willingly perpetuate falsehoods that do great harm to millions of people?”

Pavlovitz then wonders whether the cognitive dissonance of her work registers in Sanders’ mind.

    “Maybe you’ve convinced yourself it’s somehow all the Lord’s work.”

    “Maybe you’ve been on this slippery slope of deception for so long that you actually believe the lies now too.”

Then he puts forth the proposition that perhaps they are praying to different gods.

    “Or maybe your Jesus and my Jesus are just that different.”

    “Maybe your Jesus is good with deporting immigrants.
    Maybe your Jesus celebrates the poor staying poor.
    Maybe your Jesus is fine with affairs with porn stars.
    Maybe your Jesus is totally cool with supremacist Cabinet members.
    Maybe your Jesus amens the banning and the wall-building.
    Maybe your Jesus sanctions the fear of brown people.
    Maybe your Jesus is pleased with sick people going broke trying to not die.
    Maybe your Jesus applauds the racism and the bitterness and the cruelty.
    Maybe your Jesus somehow blesses the lies you broker in on behalf of the monster you work for.”


If Sanders really believes in this bizarro world Christ, Pavlovitz congratulates her for the fantastic job she’s doing advancing his agenda. However, he points out the problems with that interpretation of the scriptures.

    “But for my money, that Jesus is the reason so many people want nothing to do with Christianity anymore.
    It’s why the Church is hemorrhaging.
    It’s why the pews are emptying.
    It’s why people run from Christians.”


The progressive preacher then turns the conversation back to the White House Correspondents Dinner.

    “I imagine you feel that thirty seconds of jokes from a comedian is terrible treatment; that you feel unfairly bullied, that feel that you didn’t deserve to be personally attacked.”
   
    “I imagine you feel like an innocent victim in all this.”

    “Given the countless hours you’ve spent lying to the world and claiming Jesus while you’ve done it—I think you got off easy,” he concludes.

We imagine that John Pavlovitz is proud of writing this open letter to Sarah Huckabee Sanders. He should be.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/05/01/a-christian-pastor-just-broke-the-internet-with-a-scathing-open-letter-to-huckabee-sanders-and-trump/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
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Evangelical Preachers, Stop Crediting God With Donald Trump’s Victory  ::)
December 18, 2016 / John Pavlovitz

Dear Evangelical Preachers,

I think you believe you’re helping right now.
I think you believe you’re actually glorifying God.
I think you believe you’re somehow bolstering the Gospel.
I think you believe that you’re engineering some conversation-stopping, sanctified mic drop, by crediting God with Donald Trump’s ascension to the U.S. Presidency.

You’re not doing anyone of these things.

You’re not sharing the Good News of Jesus.
You’re not evangelizing.
You’re not making disciples.
You’re not helping.

You’re making from the pulpit and platform, the greatest case for Atheism you could ever make.

You’re aligning God with an ignorant, petulant, narcissistic bully.
You’re putting God’s rubber stamp on unprecedented racism, bigotry, and violence.
You’re attributing to God, the most despicable treatment of women, the greatest intolerance toward the marginalized, the least compassion for the hurting.
In other words, you’re assassinating the character of Jesus in an effort to rub non-Christian’s noses in it.

Crediting Donald Trump’s win to “God” is the best conceivable argument for someone rejecting faith.

If God is responsible for the unbridled vulgarity, the viciousness toward people of color, the utter disregard for diversity that the President has so continually displayed this year—you can keep God.

If God sanctions someone like Trump to the highest place of leadership we have—you can have that God.

If God is that partisan, God is not a God who “so loved the world”, but One who has contempt for most of it.

If you’re asking me to agree that a God who is love, can also be a God who votes Trump, you can stop right now because that’s laughable and ludicrous.

Fortunately, I know God isn’t responsible for this disaster:

God didn’t campaign for Donald Trump.
God didn’t fail to report on the sexual assault allegations against him.
God didn’t give incendiary sermons.
God didn’t hack into our databases.
God didn’t generate fake news stories.
God didn’t suppress voters.
God didn’t refuse to educate himself on the issues.
God didn’t reject experience for celebrity.
God didn’t have his racism emboldened.
God didn’t manufacture hatred for Hillary Clinton.
God didn’t excuse sexual assault for a Supreme Court seat.
God didn’t choose party over country.
God didn’t stay home on Election Day.

I think God watched it all and wept.

It’s rather telling that the same God you’re crediting for Donald Trump now, seems to have had nothing to do with the past 8 years of Barack Obama. Guess God was offline or sleeping during those two terms.

Preacher, there is nothing to be gained by using the President-Elect as supposed evidence of God’s work in the world. It bears no good fruit. It has no redemptive value.

All it does is pour salt into the gaping wounds of marginalized communities who feel threatened and vulnerable right now. It says to people of color and Muslims and the LGBTQ community and women, that God is not for them. It confirms for those already viewing Christians as all hypocritical, dangerous, and self-serving—that they are correct in this assumption.

You’re wasting your platform, failing your calling, and squandering an audience with millions of people by giving God credit for a madman’s success.

Stop it.

Stop passing the buck to God.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/12/18/evangelical-preachers-stop-crediting-god-with-donald-trumps-victory/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John%20Pavlovitz

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2018, 02:08:06 pm »
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No, Christian, Jesus Didn’t Say You Can Have Your Guns  ???

February 21, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

In the wake of the shameful growing legacy of mass shootings in America, one of the saddest realizations, is that the loudest, most vehement voices championing the cause of weapons of brutality—have come from professed Evangelical Christians.

The cognitive dissonance of supposed followers of Jesus choosing the side of violence and opposing the movement of mercy is staggering, exceeded only by the contention that Jesus says they can pack heat.

It’s nonsense and heresy and it’s a full bastardization of his life and ministry.

There simply aren’t any theological gymnastics wild enough to make it work.

Not with the Jesus who preached that those following in his footsteps would turn the other cheek to violence.

Not with the Jesus who spoke of the blessed nature of the peacemakers.

Not with the Jesus whose benevolence and lack of force were ever-present.

Gun-loving Jesus followers love to point to a passage in the Gospel biography written by Luke, where Jesus speaks about his impending unlawful arrest by Roman soldiers and instructs them to “bring a sword.”

This, they claim is their God-given gun license.

The problem is, they stop reading at this point, close the book—and run to their gun shows and NRA rallies.

They fail to stick with the same story for a couple of paragraphs; when the Romans arrive, and one of Jesus’ students named Peter, takes out one of said swords, and cuts off a soldier’s ear. Jesus verbally tears into Peter, heals the solider’s ear, and tells those with him that this will not be their way.

He then allows himself to be taken into custody, beaten, and ultimately murdered by his captors.

This is the full story, and it is bad news for those wanting to be cowboys.

This narrative isn’t helpful for the gun-toting followers of Jesus.
This narrative doesn’t give them a God who consents to their weapon-lust.
This narrative doesn’t let them have Jesus and NRA membership at the same time.
This narrative actually tells them to drop their weapons and to beat them into plowshares, and to be those who live differently than the fear-bringers.


Christians straining to hold on to their guns, talk about the story of Jesus fashioning a whip to drive money lenders out of the temple, as some half-baked gun blessing—which again is such a perversion of the story that it would be laughable if it weren’t resulting in so many dead school students two thousand years later.

Jesus chases the corrupt people out of the temple because they are profiting from the manipulation of religion. Jesus is driving out the modern-day NRA lobbyists, corrupt politicians, and religious hypocrites. He is running the vipers off and they are the vipers. (And by the way, he doesn’t kill or strike any of them in the process.)

This is why people outside Christianity think that followers of Jesus picking up the cause of tools of mass murder is a blasphemous disconnect—because it is.
They’re seeing it all perfectly clearly.
They can see people trying desperately to make God in their own fearful, insecure, bullying image, and they reject it all.
They know enough about Jesus to know that his finger would never be on a trigger—and there’s simply no way to get around that.

In a last-gasp attempt to hold Jesus at gunpoint, these folks love to quote him talking in Matthew’s Gospel about his mission, “not to bring peace, but a sword.”

Again, they desperately want those words, but not their context or their intention. Jesus is speaking about the way his teachings will cause turbulence between people; the way interpersonal conflict will arrive when they endeavor to do his work of love, compassion, and justice: that it will drive a wedge, it will cause a rift—it will bring a sword. He isn’t saying he wants us to lay waste to our family members. He isn’t saying he came to bring people to hand-to-hand combat. (Yes, gun advocate Christians actually try to go here, to this ridiculous place.)

Those professing to take such words literally, may also be prepared to gouge their eyes out for looking at a woman lustfully—though I imagine this would leave a vast army of blind faithful folks in churches this coming Sunday.

No Christian, Jesus wants no part of your gun lust. He wants nothing to do with your seething nationalism and your 2nd Amendment shield and your tough guy bravado behind a trigger.

He told you to love your enemies.
He told you to turn your cheek.
He told you not to resist an evil person.
He told you to be foot washers and wound binders and compassion givers.
He told you to care for the least and to feed the poor and to welcome the refugee.
That is what he said clearly.


You can love your guns.
You can open carry in department stores.
You can champion the cause of assault weapons.
You can cover your bumper in tough guy propaganda.
You can oppose any sensible gun regulations.
You can glory in your amassed arsenal.
You can do nothing while thousands of people die every year in America.


Just don’t try and pretend Jesus is okay with it.

He isn’t.

He weeps at it all.

And so do those of us who realize it.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/02/21/no-christian-jesus-didnt-say-can-guns/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John%20Pavlovitz

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 09:04:15 pm »
Your friend is being crude using the ***** word! I am only defending my position! I am sick and tired of liberal asses trashing the President of this country! Jesus Gem pull your head out your ass!

QUOTE OF THE DAY: (Author Philip Roth in
The New Yorker)

"I found much that was alarming about
being a citizen during the tenures of
Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. But
whatever I may have seen as their
limitations of character or intellect,
neither was anything like as humanly
impoverished as Trump is: ignorant of
government, of history, of science, or
nuance, destitute of all decency, and
wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven
words that is better called Jerkish than
English."  ???

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2018, 09:34:23 pm »
Your friend is being crude using the ***** word! I am only defending my position! I am sick and tired of liberal asses trashing the President of this country! Jesus Gem pull your head out your ass!

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2018, 09:29:06 pm »
Lucky - Stop being a douchebag.

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2018, 08:48:56 pm »
Comment from the above posted article:

Sunray
December 28, 2017 at 8:23 am

Both of these men were adults. Trump was 59 or 60 when he made the comment of grabbing women by the genitals. Moore was a 32 year old attorney. Moore had a proclivity for young, untouched girls. I don’t imagine that at 32 years old he was a virgin, but he felt a right to their innocent, pure bodies These were not youthful indiscretions for these men. They also remain defiant and unrepentant. The only ones talking about forgiveness and change are the “christian” apologists these men have forges alliances with. They know the “christian” reich is fiercely loyal and seeking power after all the fear mongering from the right. They have also personally, verbally, and sometimes threatened their accusers. It seems that you are okay with what they have done. The hearts of these men are far from God, and your acceptance of their vile acts does not change that.

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When Christians Defend Predators  :'(

November 18, 2017 / John Pavlovitz

There’s a story in the Bible about one of Jesus’ beloved students named Peter, who publicly denies ever knowing him. Jesus has been arrested and is facing death at the hands of the Romans—and Peter, fearing for his own life distances himself when questioned.

“I do not know the man!” he insists three times.

It is a sin of separation based on Peter not wanting to be associated with him.

Yet as ugly as followers of Jesus creating distance from him is, it’s a far more vile act, when in depravity they claim proximity; when they stand proudly in the world and commit the greatest of atrocities upon humanity—and contend that Jesus consents to it all.

It’s hard to imagine a greater illustration of Christians losing the plot than when they defend predators. There are few bastardizations of the life and the message of Jesus, as complete and grievous as taking the side of rapists and pedophiles and genitalia grabbers—but this is where we are now. With the Evangelicals embracing Donald Trump and rallying to the defense of Roy Moore, this is what we’re watching in America: the least of these being thrown to the wolves by the supposed shepherds. We are watching organized Christianity betray its namesake.

In dog-and-pony, Bible-waving press conferences, in Scripture-affixed social media endorsements, and in pulpit-pounding Sunday sermons, we’re seeing professed people of Jesus willfully protecting the monsters, heaping shame on the accusers, ascribing virtue to their offenders—and passing it all off as redemptive, as something of God.

And because of this filth now parading in his name, Jesus has left the damn building—and good, decent people of faith are rightly following him out. In these days, the Evangelical Church is proving itself to be the truest danger to the most vulnerable. It has now become the very insidious evil he so pushed back against while his feet were on the planet.

I don’t know how to understand the mind of a man or woman who attempts to profess devotion to Jesus while simultaneously defending a molester—and I’m not sure I want to. That’s a darker place than I think I can go without losing hope or sanity. I can’t imagine how a human being can so horribly distort the “love the least,” “blessed are the peacemakers” message of Christ, enough to stand on a wooden or social media platform—and knowingly bless a man who rapes, patently excuse violence to a child, or passionately campaign for a predator. It’s all about stomach-turning as it gets.

As a disheartened and embarrassed follower of Jesus, I can only openly grieve these things. All I can do is to denounce such wanton twisting of the Gospel to those still willing to listen, and stand with the victimized and the wounded and the vulnerable—because I know that this is where Jesus would be.

There’s a sickness here that we need to name and condemn. Regardless of the Bible verses they drop or the high-profile ministries they wield or how sanctified they try to sound—when Christians defend predators they deny Jesus and they sell off their souls.

It’s really as simple as that.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/11/18/christians-defend-predators/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2018, 10:15:10 pm »
When was the exact point that you knew he was the man you wanted in office?


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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2018, 09:25:24 pm »
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The Price of an Evangelical Christian Soul  :'(

December 1, 2016 / John Pavlovitz

They say that every man has his price; present him with an attractive enough offer and he will part with even that which he treasures most. All convictions become negotiable, every virtue is eventually up for sale.

Donald Trump brought Evangelicals to a high mountain overlooking America and told them it could all be theirs—and all it would cost them is their souls. In the dizzying storm of a Presidential campaign and all that was laid out before them, this seemed like a bargain.

And so despite all their preaching about morality and all their posturing about holiness and all their sermonizing about the wickedness of the world up until that point, they willingly signed themselves over to the wild-haired, foul-mouthed, money-loving, p*ssy-grabbing Devil with the orange face:

The big-name preachers engaged in the most acrobatic of theological gymnastics to try and make Jesus consent to their endorsement and to declare him a Biblical option.

Celebrity evangelists traveled the country selling him town to town like a magical elixir for all that ailed the hurting masses.

Once sickened Christian politicians became far less vocal, much more amenable, far more complimentary with each passing week.

The partisan networks manufactured a continual stream of irrational fear, misinformation, and sky-is-falling rhetoric to paint him as the coming Messiah.

Local pew sitters weaned on a heavy diet of prejudice, Apocalypse, and Nationalism convinced themselves that all his terrible indiscretions were somehow the lesser of two evils and safely within the parameters of Christlikeness by comparison.

And one by one, souls got sold.

With all their well-rehearsed, sanctimonious Scripture lip service about receiving salvation, this proved to be largely ceremonial. They may have once invited Jesus into their hearts, but when the rubber met the narrow road they evicted him and took the cash.

Jesus was right when he said you cannot serve both God and money—he just probably thought he’d do better in the Bible Belt this year. He certainly felt he’d win North Carolina.

And as with all deals with the Devil, it feels like winning at first. In the rush of the moment you think you’ve beaten the house—until later you learn that the house always wins; that the game is set up for your failure, that the Devil never makes an even deal. One day the temporary high of the win wears off and you realize you’ve been had; that you took a sucker bet and lost everything—and by then it’s too late.

And so right now a large portion of the American Evangelical Church sits pretty, believing itself victorious; momentarily giddy at its spoils, gloating in its apparent advantage, and oblivious to the cost.

The cost, is that the Church itself, though winning this political battle has lost the greater war for its humanity and its dignity. It has been fully separated from its namesake. It is no longer synonymous with Jesus. It is no longer good news for the poor, the marginalized, the hurting, the downtrodden. It is an exclusive brothel where power lusting white Christians fornicate freely.

The Evangelical Church is no longer a brilliant beacon of God’s love in a dark place, it is simply another building upon which Donald Trump will slap his name, exploit for a bit, and eventually abandon, leaving behind lots of people hurting who are broken and bankrupt.

Jesus once asked of a crowd listening to him preach, “What does it profit a person if they gain the world but forfeit their soul?”

This is the question we will be answering in the coming months, but one thing is for certain:

The Evangelical Church in America is now fully in the hands of the wild-haired, foul-mouthed, money-loving, p*ssy-grabbing Devil with the orange face, and along with it the reputation of the Gospel itself—and Evangelical Christians made the deal themselves.

They have a temporary win, but have permanently sold themselves and the credibility of the Church. And those followers of Jesus who failed to sign our names in blood and kiss the Devil’s ring will have to figure out what we do now to remind the world what the love of God for all people looks like.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/12/01/the-price-of-an-evangelical-soul/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John+Pavlovitz

Comment from the above posted article:
Jennifer Miller
July 4, 2017 at 12:02 am

What made you vote for Trump? Was it the three marriages? The time he mocked the disabled journalist? The time he talked about the blood coming out of Megyn Kelly’s wherever? The bankruptcies? Trump University? Bragging about grabbing women by their private parts without permission? When was the exact point that you knew he was the man you wanted in office?

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2018, 09:22:01 pm »
When Obama was in office in 2011,
only 30% of evangelicals told
pollsters they would forgive a
president's immoral behavior.
Now, under Trump, it's 72%.

And that, my friends,
is called HYPOCRISY


Source: PRRI Polling, NYT

No, that's called selective polling.

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2018, 08:59:07 pm »
Stuff That Needs To Be Said

The Price of an Evangelical Christian Soul  :'(

December 1, 2016 / John Pavlovitz

They say that every man has his price; present him with an attractive enough offer and he will part with even that which he treasures most. All convictions become negotiable, every virtue is eventually up for sale.

Donald Trump brought Evangelicals to a high mountain overlooking America and told them it could all be theirs—and all it would cost them is their souls. In the dizzying storm of a Presidential campaign and all that was laid out before them, this seemed like a bargain.

And so despite all their preaching about morality and all their posturing about holiness and all their sermonizing about the wickedness of the world up until that point, they willingly signed themselves over to the wild-haired, foul-mouthed, money-loving, p*ssy-grabbing Devil with the orange face:

The big-name preachers engaged in the most acrobatic of theological gymnastics to try and make Jesus consent to their endorsement and to declare him a Biblical option.

Celebrity evangelists traveled the country selling him town to town like a magical elixir for all that ailed the hurting masses.

Once sickened Christian politicians became far less vocal, much more amenable, far more complimentary with each passing week.

The partisan networks manufactured a continual stream of irrational fear, misinformation, and sky-is-falling rhetoric to paint him as the coming Messiah.

Local pew sitters weaned on a heavy diet of prejudice, Apocalypse, and Nationalism convinced themselves that all his terrible indiscretions were somehow the lesser of two evils and safely within the parameters of Christlikeness by comparison.

And one by one, souls got sold.

With all their well-rehearsed, sanctimonious Scripture lip service about receiving salvation, this proved to be largely ceremonial. They may have once invited Jesus into their hearts, but when the rubber met the narrow road they evicted him and took the cash.

Jesus was right when he said you cannot serve both God and money—he just probably thought he’d do better in the Bible Belt this year. He certainly felt he’d win North Carolina.

And as with all deals with the Devil, it feels like winning at first. In the rush of the moment you think you’ve beaten the house—until later you learn that the house always wins; that the game is set up for your failure, that the Devil never makes an even deal. One day the temporary high of the win wears off and you realize you’ve been had; that you took a sucker bet and lost everything—and by then it’s too late.

And so right now a large portion of the American Evangelical Church sits pretty, believing itself victorious; momentarily giddy at its spoils, gloating in its apparent advantage, and oblivious to the cost.

The cost, is that the Church itself, though winning this political battle has lost the greater war for its humanity and its dignity. It has been fully separated from its namesake. It is no longer synonymous with Jesus. It is no longer good news for the poor, the marginalized, the hurting, the downtrodden. It is an exclusive brothel where power lusting white Christians fornicate freely.

The Evangelical Church is no longer a brilliant beacon of God’s love in a dark place, it is simply another building upon which Donald Trump will slap his name, exploit for a bit, and eventually abandon, leaving behind lots of people hurting who are broken and bankrupt.

Jesus once asked of a crowd listening to him preach, “What does it profit a person if they gain the world but forfeit their soul?”

This is the question we will be answering in the coming months, but one thing is for certain:

The Evangelical Church in America is now fully in the hands of the wild-haired, foul-mouthed, money-loving, p*ssy-grabbing Devil with the orange face, and along with it the reputation of the Gospel itself—and Evangelical Christians made the deal themselves.

They have a temporary win, but have permanently sold themselves and the credibility of the Church. And those followers of Jesus who failed to sign our names in blood and kiss the Devil’s ring will have to figure out what we do now to remind the world what the love of God for all people looks like.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/12/01/the-price-of-an-evangelical-soul/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John+Pavlovitz

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2018, 09:16:25 pm »
When Obama was in office in 2011,
only 30% of evangelicals told
pollsters they would forgive a
president's immoral behavior.
Now, under Trump, it's 72%.

And that, my friends,
is called HYPOCRISY


Source: PRRI Polling, NYT

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2018, 11:49:42 pm »
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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2018, 08:33:28 pm »
FROM THE RAW STORY

Don Lemon perfectly nails Franklin Graham’s ‘ends justify the means’ moral hypocrisy on Trump  ::)

By Travis Gettys
24 Jan 2018 at 07:33 ET                   

Don Lemon and Franklin Graham (CNN)

Franklin Graham shrugged off President Donald Trump’s moral failings by arguing his various aberrations took place before he was in the Oval Office.

The president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association appeared Tuesday night on “CNN Tonight,” where he told host Don Lemon that Trump’s alleged extramarital affair with a porn actress was different than behavior for which he criticized Bill Clinton.

“These alleged affairs, they’re alleged with Trump, didn’t happen while he was in office,” Graham said.

“This happened 11, 12, 13, 14 years ago,” he continued, “and so, I think there is a big difference and not that we give anybody a pass, but we have to look at the timeline and that was before he was in office.”

Lemon questioned Graham’s moral consistency, saying that it sounded like he believed Trump was good — despite evidence to the contrary — because he delivered on political promises.

“It sounds like you’re saying he is good because he is good for what you think is right, that the ends justify the means,” Lemon said. “If that’s the case, then poor people should be robbing banks.”

Graham insisted Trump had matured since the alleged 2006 affair with porn actress Stormy Daniels, who gave a detailed account of the relationship in a magazine interview, but Lemon asked whether the president’s tweets and other public remarks disproved that claim.

“There is a lot of presidents that have had rough language and a lot of these things that have been accused of the president, I am not sure are true,” Graham said. “He says he didn’t do it, and the others that said he didn’t do it.”

Graham then argued that God had put Trump in office for a reason, and the religious leader then praised his skills as a businessman.

“I think people have confidence in his business ability, and I think that’s why we see the stock market where it is,” Graham said. “Of course, the tax issue is huge.”

Watch the video:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/don-lemon-perfectly-nails-franklin-grahams-ends-justify-means-moral-hypocrisy-trump/

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2018, 12:07:28 pm »
Christianity is just a tool to control the masses and now is basically a tool of feminism and has been for decades.
I was groomed for this business and could have raked in the big bucks but being a con artist wasn't something I was willing to become.
 You can't "discard long held values" when you have none to discard so your argument is false on the face of it.
It is basically the no true Scotsman fallacy on steroids.

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But we show no faith at all
Follow suit on Sunday
But on Monday forget it all
If the times should find us needing him
Then my friend, Lord have mercy on our soul"

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Re: Christians Discard Long-Held Values to Defend Trump
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2018, 11:42:08 am »
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White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You  ::)

January 24, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.

They’re done.

They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:

They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, Christians—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,

you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,

you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,

you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,

you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,

your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,

your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,

you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim the heart of

your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.


And yet today, you openly give a “mulligan” to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold.

With him, you suddenly find religion.

With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.

With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.

With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.

With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.

With him, you see only Providence.

And white Evangelical, all those people who have had it with you—see it all clearly.

They recognize the toxic source of your duality.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole religion.
 
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.

They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.

They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.

They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus, not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.


And I know you don’t realize it but your digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.


I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.

But I had to at least try and reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24/white-evangelicals-people/

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